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From Left to Right: Mr.
Sanjay Bakshi, Mr. Mohnish Pabrai and Mr. Ashish Kila
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About Mr. Mohnish Pabrai
Mohnish Pabrai is an Indian-American
businessman, investor and philanthropist. In his Pabrai Investment Fund, which
is a family of hedge funds inspired by Buffett Partnerships, he successfully
manages over $500 million of assets and consistently achieves above average
rates of return. Pabrai has high regards for Warren Buffett and admits
that his investment style is copied from Mr. Warren Buffett and others. He has
written a book on his investing style: "The Dhandho Investor: The Low -
Risk Value Method to High Returns".
Mr. Pabrai started with studying Mr. Buffett. Then he
added Munger, Templeton, Ruane, Whitman, Cates/Hawkins, Berkowitz
etc. According to him it is Best to study the philosophy of the various
master value investors and their various specific investments. Then apply that
approach with your own money and investment ideas and go from there.
Books by the Author
1. Mosiac:
perspective on investing
2. The Dhandho
investor
Mr. Ashish Kila had an opportunity to interact with Mr. Mohnish
Pabrai at MDI (lecture organised by Mr. Sanjay Bakshi & Mr. Amitabh Singhi) where Mr. Pabrai presented his astute insights regarding the
course of action investors should adopt in ever uncertain markets. Note: - We have humbly tried to make
some additions (highlighted in Italics) to the note below for better understanding of
the content.
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How to go
about Cash Allocation
o
When an investor finds a stock that has a
potential to turn into a two bagger, 75% of the total portfolio allocation should
be made towards such stocks.
o
For the remaining 25% of the portfolio, the
investor becomes more conscious and conservative and tries to find an
investment that will be either a three bagger or a five bagger.
o
The remaining Allocation should be made in the
proportion of 10% for a 3 bagger another 10% for a four bagger and remaining 5%
for a potential five bagger.
§
Here the seasoned investors raised a question
regarding the time frame one should have patience and let the investment attain
its true value.
§
Mr. Pabrai showed the real strength of patience
by quoting the example of Daily Journal’s investments under the guidance of
Charlie Munger
§ Charlie
Munger had the company’s money invested in treasuries for almost 10 years till
he found a potential multi bagger in Wells Fargo and Bank and within 1 quarter
he invested 100% of the treasuries amount in the stock.
§ Investment
history behind Wells Fargo & Co.: - Although in the banking sector, Munger
picked Wells Fargo, a superbly-managed, high-return banking operation. Munger
investment conviction in this case was mostly the reliance on the management.
o
The banking business was no favorite of theirs. When assets
were twenty times equity - a common ratio in this industry - mistakes that
involve only a small portion of assets could destroy a major portion of equity.
And mistakes had been the rule rather than the exception at many major banks.
Most had resulted from a managerial failing that the Berkshire team described
last year when discussing the "institutional imperative:" the
tendency of executives to mindlessly imitate the behavior of their peers, no
matter how foolish it may be to do so. In their lending, many bankers played
follow-the-leader with lemming-like zeal; now they were experiencing a
lemming-like fate.
o
Because leverage of 20:1 magnifies the
effects of managerial strengths and weaknesses, they had no interest in
purchasing shares of a poorly-managed bank at a "cheap" price.
Instead, their only interest was in buying into well-managed banks at fair
prices.
Because leverage of 20:1 magnifies the
effects of managerial strengths and weaknesses, they had no interest in
purchasing shares of a poorly-managed bank at a "cheap" price.
Instead, their only interest was in buying into well-managed banks at fair
prices.
o
With Wells Fargo, Munger obtained the best managers in the
business, Carl Reichardt and Paul Hazen.
§
The managerial
qualities that attracted Mr. Munger: First, the pair was stronger than the sum
of its parts because each partner understood and admired the other.
§
Second, the managerial team paid able people well, but
abhorred having a bigger head count than is needed.
§
Third, they attacked costs as vigorously when profits are at
record levels as when they are under pressure.
§
Finally, both stuck with what they understood and let their
abilities, not their egos, determine what they attempt.
§ The purchase of
Wells Fargo in 1990 was helped by a chaotic market in bank stocks.
§ The disarray was
appropriate: As one huge loss after another was unveiled - often on the heels
of managerial assurances that all was well - investors understandably concluded
that no bank's numbers were to be trusted.
§ Aided by their
flight from bank stocks, Mr. Munger purchased 10% interest in Wells Fargo for
$290 million, less than five times after-tax earnings, and less than three
times pre-tax earnings.
§ Wells Fargo was
big - it had $56 billion in assets - and was earning more than 20% on equity
and 1.25% on assets.
§ Their purchase of
one-tenth of the bank may be thought of as roughly equivalent to their buying
100% of a $5 billion bank with identical financial characteristics. But if they
were to make such a purchase, they would have to pay about twice the $290
million, they paid for Wells Fargo.
§ In recent years,
Wells Fargo executives have been more avidly recruited than any others in the
banking business; no one, however, has been able to hire the dean.
§ Of course,
ownership of a bank - or about any other business - was far from riskless.
o
California banks were faced with the specific
risk of a major earthquake, which could create enough havoc on borrowers to in
turn destroy the banks lending to them.
California banks were faced with the specific
risk of a major earthquake, which could create enough havoc on borrowers to in
turn destroy the banks lending to them.
o
A second risk was systemic - the possibilities of a
business contraction or financial panic so severe that it would endanger almost
every highly-leveraged institution, no matter how intelligently run.
o
Finally, the market's major fear of the moment was that West
Coast real estate values were to tumble because of overbuilding and deliver
huge losses to banks that have financed the expansion. Because it was a leading
real estate lender, Wells Fargo was thought to be particularly vulnerable.
§ None of these
eventualities could be ruled out. The probability of the first two occurring,
however, was low and even a meaningful drop in real estate values was unlikely
to cause major problems for well-managed institutions. Consider some
mathematics: Wells Fargo earned well over $1 billion pre-tax annually after
expensing more than $300 million for loan losses. If 10% of all $48 billion of
the bank's loans - not just its real estate loans - were hit by problems in
1991, and these produced losses (including foregone interest) averaging 30% of
principal, the company would roughly break even.
§ A year like that -
which they considered only a low-level possibility, not likelihood - would not have
distressed them. In fact, at Berkshire they would love to acquire businesses or
invest in capital projects that produced no return for a year, but that could
then be expected to earn 20% on growing equity.
§ Nevertheless,
fears of a California real estate disaster similar to that experienced in New
England caused the price of Wells Fargo stock to fall almost 50% within a few
months during 1990. Even though they had bought some shares at the prices
prevailing before the fall, they welcomed the decline because it allowed them
to pick up many more shares at the new, panic prices.
·
Wife v/s
Mistress- Dilemma
o
In the time
of uncertain markets an investor does feel that the other stocks (those not
owned by him) are looking attractive, but its human psychology that a person
finds thing which he not owns more attractive and lucrative.
o
During the uncertain periods a fall in the
fundamentally strong stock (here the wife) from 1 to 0.7 may lure an investors
to switch over to other attractive stock which has fallen from 1 to 0.2 and
started looking cheap (the mistress), during this time frame. An investor must
hold on to the fundamentally strong stock which has a higher upside potential
when the Economy is on the upswing.
·
Buy for a time frame of at least two year
Buy for a time frame of at least two year
o
The real knowledge comes after two years of
owning the stock.
o
The
investor needs to give the time for his investment thesis to work around and
what new aspects arise for the stock.
·
Expert’s
Helping Hand- The Checklist
o
Atul Gawande
in his book The Check List Manifesto makes a distinction between errors of
ignorance and errors of ineptitude. Failure in the modern world is really about
the second of these errors which means mistakes we make because we don’t make
proper use of what we know.
o
A team is only as strong as its checklist
i.e., a way of organizing that empowers people at all levels to put their best
knowledge to use, communicate at crucial points, and get things done.
·
The Rule
of Reciprocity
o
Robert B. Cialdini In
his book ‘Influence the psychology of persuasion’ mentions that a person tries
to repay what another person has provided.
§ Quantum of Favor: To be rid of the uncomfortable feeling of indebtedness, an
individual will often agree to a request for a substantially larger favor, than
the one he or she first received.
§ Mr. Pabrai
demonstrated this with his own example. Whenever an investor shows interest in
Mr. Pabrai’s fund he gifts them Cross-pens along with the brochures, humbled by
the small gesture by Mr. Pabrai the investors usually ends up pumping a fortune
in their funds. J
o
This sense of future obligation according to the rule makes
possible the development of various kinds of continuing relationships,
transactions, and exchanges that are beneficial to society.
o
A possible and profitable tactic to gain probable
compliance would be to give something to someone before asking for a favor in
return.
·
The Power
of Cloning
o
Mr. Pabrai suggests no one in this world is
going to copy you, even if you beg and plead others to do so. Humans are not
able to take in new ideas. It is essential to know one in crores become Steve
Jobs, we should try to become Bill Gates, try cloning (i.e. inversion mental
model).
o
The
Burger King and Sam Walton Examples –Power of cloning can be best judged by
studying the cases of burger king and Sam Walton as pointed out by Mr. Mohnish
Pabrai.
§
Mc
Donald’s with its entire Logistics’ arm works extensively to find new avenues
for its outlets while burger king with a few people to track Mc Donald’s new
avenues opens an outlet near every Mc Donald’s outlet, results in Cost Savings
and Expansion simultaneously.
§
The power of cloning in its true meaning of passionately studying competitors
magnified when it came to knowledge that it was actually Sam Walton, the owner
of Wal-Mart, who was found lying in a K-Mart store to measure the aisle
distance and not a random person suffering a heart attack as reported in the news.
The power of cloning in its true meaning of passionately studying competitors
magnified when it came to knowledge that it was actually Sam Walton, the owner
of Wal-Mart, who was found lying in a K-Mart store to measure the aisle
distance and not a random person suffering a heart attack as reported in the news.
·
Re-engineering
the time allocation and using it your advantage
o
Mr. Pabrai’s way to get started on your own
§
Mr. Pabrai believes that business can be made along with job. After the work hours still a
lot of time is available to work on things of your interests.
§
In a week there are 168 hours, take out 56 hours
of hours to sleep and 45 hours of work (9 hours a day and 5 days a week ) then also there are 67 hours
left to do pursue work of your interest.
·
The
Comparative Approach of fair value
o
Humans don’t know the price of anything, often
the fair value of anything is known by comparison.
§
An excellent work on this is found in the book
titled “Priceless” by William Poundstone. Poundstone argues that much of what we think of as "fair"
pricing is nothing more than a collection of cognitive fallacies and biases.
§
The most important of these fallacies are
the contrast effect (pricing taking on significance from neighboring prices)
and the anchoring effect (we take reference from the benchmark available to
us).
·
Management
Psychology
o
It is better to not meet the management because
they are too optimistic regarding their future prospects.
·
Graham
V/S Munger
o
A very significant distinction between
investment techniques of Benjamin Graham and Charlie Munger is while Graham
focused on buying cheap distressed business, Munger followed a practice to find
great assets and be patient for sale. Mr. Mohnish Pabrai demonstrated this with
the help of a grocery store example.
§
Suppose
Graham and Munger are to visit a grocery store. Here Graham will prefer to buy
all the cheap stuff available collectively as a basket (with an aim to have a
net benefit) while Mr. Munger would identify the best articles and prefer to
purchase them at attractive prices like in case of a sale.
·
Learn from mistakes
Learn from mistakes
o
A person should learn from yesterday. It is
better to make the mistakes public and improve on the aspects.
·
The macro
stuff
o
The macro context of the economy and industrial
outlook should be viewed in context of the business i.e., the probable effects
of the macro outlook will have on the business of the company.
·
Circle of
competence
o
The circle of competence means which pond
(industry) and fish (company) should investors choose. The important thing to
note is that the best way to ask a question is to answer it. A way to increase
the circle of competence is to read all kind of stuff, this broadens the
horizon.
·
The art
of reverse Engineering
o
This can be termed as the essence of investing
which in real terms means applying the knowledge and expertise gained by the
notable investors (the likes of warren Buffet, Charlie Munger) in our investing
methodologies.
o
Even if an investor purchases a particular stock
(even at the highest price of the month) for which a notable investor has
announced a regulatory filing, and simultaneously sells the stock (even at the
lowest price of the month) when the notable investor squares off his position,
the investor can still beat the market handsomely.
o
A best way to practice it is to keep an eye on
what the big investors are buying.
o
A watch on the successors of the Veteran
Investor’s-An interesting aspect
§
It’s very
interesting to keep a track of the buying pattern of the successors of the
veteran investor’s.
§
It will be
interesting to take the example of the next generation leaders of Warren
Buffet’s Berkshire Hathaway.
§
Mr. Buffet
has appointed two hedge fund managers Mr. Ted Weschler and Mr. Ted Combs, with
excellent track record even in the gloomy markets, to replace him as the Next CIO
and CEO when he retires.
§
Mr. Combs is assembling a group of stock picks of his own after
being hired by Berkshire last year to take smaller stakes than Buffett, and has
stakes in Direct TV, CVS Caremark Corp., Intel
Corp. (INTC) and Visa
Inc. (V).
§
The crux here is that when assigned with the responsibility to
build a portfolio under the guidance of the notable Mr. Buffet himself, the
acquisition of the stakes in the above mentioned companies indirectly
represents the decision framework of Mr. Buffet and the Magic of reverse
engineering can be replicated by an
investor in the same manner as the stocks picks were done by Mr. Buffet
himself.
·
The
Potential business
o
A potential investible company must have simple
business, low Capex and a strong ‘moat’. Here it will be very useful to understand
the case of Direct TV.
§
As coined by Mr. Pabrai It will be interesting
to study the Journey of Mr. Michael White former Vice Chairman of PepsiCo.
§
Mr. White is the Chairman, President and
CEO of Direct TV and has served as a Director since November 18, 2009.
§
Mr. White
has always lead from the front and has been a key catalyst in success of the
organization’s such as Frito-Lay’s, PepsiCo, whirlpool and PepsiCo Foods International.
§
Mr. White has served on the Board of
Directors and as Vice Chairman of PepsiCo from March 2006 to Nov 30, 2009 and
as Chairman and CEO of PepsiCo International from February 2003 to Nov 30,
2009.
o
When Indra Nooyi learned she had been selected as CEO, she
flew to Cape Cod to talk to her chief
competitor for the job, Mike White, who was PepsiCo's foremost operations
person, to persuade him to stay on. "Tell me whatever I need to do to keep
you, and I will do it," were the words spoken by Indra Nooyi. She enlisted
three former CEOs to help convince him and asked the board to increase his
compensation to a level close to hers.
o
This kind
of efforts to refrain a person from leaving the company requires attention as
to how important this person would have been to the PepsiCo.
§
When Mr.
White decided to switch over to Direct TV, it should be noted that a person of
his caliber must have noticed something great in this business. The low Capex
and great potential business might have attracted Mr. White.
§
Low Capex
§
The
business requires an expenditure of around $ 30 million dollars to provide
satellite television connections in entire Latin America
while if same was to done with cable lines it would cost billions of dollars
for the same purpose. The company has low capital requirement together with
tremendous growth opportunities. These are events that demand the attention of
an intelligent investor, who in this case should have immediately studied the
case of Direct TV.
Summary of the book “The Dhandho Investor”
We also Read the bible of value
investing “The Dhandho Investor” by Mohnish Pabrai. Some useful insights that
we found from the book are as follows: -
·
The book focuses on taking few ultra low risk bets which have a
high pay-off. The key being ultra low risk.
·
Heads I win, tails I don’t lose much
·
Few bets, big bets, infrequent bets
·
Focus on buying existing businesses
·
Long operating history
·
Simple businesses with ultra slow rate of change
o We look for mundane products
that everyone needs (WB)
o Five ascending levels of
intellect: Smart, Intelligent, Brilliant, Genius, Simple.(Einstein)
·
Buy distresses businesses in distressed industries
o Getting the purchase price
right is more important
o Entrance strategy is more
important than the exit strategy
o Be fearful when others are greedy, Be greedy
when others are fearful (WB)
·
Look for moats – sustainable competitive advantage
·
Bet heavily when odds are in your favor
·
Focus on Arbitrage
·
Buy businesses at big discounts to their underlying intrinsic
value – Margin of safety
·
Look for low risk, high uncertainty business
o Leads to severely depressed
prices for buying businesses
·
Better to be copycat than an innovator.
We also viewed some of the interviews of Mr. Mohnish Pabrai.
Some useful insights from the interviews according to us are as follows: -
·
Short Selling-A perfect recipe
for a potential downfall
o Why engage in something where you know that maximum upside is double and downside could probably kill you.
·
The checklist magic
o Prepare a checklist before
investing. It helps us to cover all the key areas that we desire to look for in
an investment, minimizing the error of ineptitude.
o The following key points are useful to add in
one’s checklist: -
§ Is the business model a
win-win situation for the entire ecosystem?
§ Management integrity
§ Competition
§ Historical Track Record
§ Are we looking at Normalized
earnings or Peak Earnings?
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